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So sayeth the Supreme Court.

Huge victory for defenders of the second amendment.

At issue in District of Columbia v. Heller was whether Washington's ban violated the right to "keep and bear arms" by preventing individuals -- as opposed to state militias -- from having guns in their homes.

"Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our standing army is the pride of our nation, where well-trained police forces provide personal security and where gun violence is a serious problem," Scalia wrote. "That is perhaps debatable, but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct."
There is a huge correlation between gun ownership and crime stats. The more registered gun owners you have in a community the lower the crime rate, just look at New Hampshire. I am licensed to carry a concealed weapon but I still feel there is absolutely no place in the private sector for assault weapons and certain kinds of ammo. That is where I differ with most gun owners.
I don't feel strongly about either side of this issue, but those crime stats are kind of bogus. I can walk out the door right now and there are probably thousands of registered gun owners in the area. Its a high-dollar area and there is very little crime, legal possession of guns has little to do with that.

I can get in the car and travel 45 minutes into North Philly where there is a murder per night and there will be very few, if any, legal gun owners, but crime is a lifestyle in those parts. Legal gun ownership wouldn't change that fact... all those fuckers carry.

I think that stat is more a product of the neighborhood rather than people protecting themselves with their own guns.
Sigh.... gun owners.

The only guns private citizens should be allowed to own are rifles and shotguns for the purpose of hunting. Handguns do not belong among the general populace, and neither do assault rifles or any high tech weaponry. Just my opinion.
Fel Wrote:Sigh.... gun owners.

The only guns private citizens should be allowed to own are rifles and shotguns for the purpose of hunting. Handguns do not belong among the general populace, and neither do assault rifles or any high tech weaponry. Just my opinion.

That's okay, Hitler felt the same way when he disarmed the Jews. What, 6 million of them later?

Sorry guys, I should have realized this would open a can of worms by posting this. I believe in gun control, keeping them out of the hands of criminals and the insane but do not believe in restrictions for law abiding citizens such as myself. And Bruce, sorry man, I just don't understand why you think there are some ammunition that should not be in the hands of civilians.

I have seen people freak out over the fact that I carry hollow points in my carry piece. I suppose people would prefer I carry full metal jacket rounds so I can potentially overpenetrate a BG and hurt an innocent bystander?

Education, education, education.........
Chef_Tony Wrote:I have seen people freak out over the fact that I carry hollow points in my carry piece. I suppose people would prefer I carry full metal jacket rounds so I can potentially overpenetrate a BG and hurt an innocent bystander?

Education, education, education.........

Hollow points I have no problem with. Armor piercing bullets and bullets designed to shread internal organs are the rounds I feel have no place in the public sector.
AP's, fine, I agree.

Frangible rounds, I disagree. They are designed to breakup in order to prevent overpenetration, whether it be by striking a solid object (wall) or a "wet" object (human body).

For urban dwellers that feel the need to protect themselves in an apartment setting, frangibles are their best alternative to prevent them harming the neighbor next door.

3dR3

...... when the shit hits the fan and there is a need to protect my family whom are you to say I can't do it?

you never know when some scum bag that doesn't play by the rules of society will feel the need to invade your space. that is when i will feel the need to invade his body with bullets.

in reality, i don't worry about that most nights. i have been on jobs where i would have felt better knowing i could protect myself with a hand gun if carried, but those are few and far between.

i'm also tired of the hard asses that can't settle fights like men anymore and have to pull a piece... quite being a little bitch, put up your fists or shut your mouth, everyone goes home.

the bigger issue is the lack of value people put on human life.....
Chef_Tony Wrote:That's okay, Hitler felt the same way when he disarmed the Jews. What, 6 million of them later?

Are you fucking kidding me with a line like that?

Okay, maybe I'm over reacting here. After all, I know you guys probably have a lot more to fear about this type of thing happening with your fascist government and all, but I'm not in a position to worry about not being armed and ready for the day my government comes to kill me.

A fucking Hitler analogy.... christ....
Fel Wrote:Are you fucking kidding me with a line like that?

Okay, maybe I'm over reacting here. After all, I know you guys probably have a lot more to fear about this type of thing happening with your fascist government and all, but I'm not in a position to worry about not being armed and ready for the day my government comes to kill me.

A fucking Hitler analogy.... christ....

Japaneese interment camps were only shut down 50 - 60 years ago. They didnt think the US goverment would come for them either. Ask Sulu

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