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Let's talk about high output.
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(10-27-2014, 02:16 PM)Agileguy Wrote: I breathed on his Ibanez for a few seconds, he should be good to go.

Apparently tha's what fucked it :monkey:

Now here's my retro ibby shredder. Ready to go :toast:
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Actually its pretty shagged i must admit.

It has a super distortions too! One of the good ones not the big flange model. I dont even know why i changed the pickups in this. The originals are beyond duper. I still have them i will put them in something else
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#12
Here's what I'm after:

I want something that sounds big and ballsy, thunderous - if you will. It HAS to be articulate though. Mud is a no-can-do. As it stands I'd say that the super d or whatever is in the guitar right now is too thin.

I'm not very technical, so I have to rely on adjectives.

Allow me to explain: Whereas I said this was a "Doom" guitar, I really plan to use it for all things metal. I have a Doomy project I'm working on with a friend of ours but that's not all we play.

I need something that'll be crushing.
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(10-27-2014, 05:40 PM)Big Flannel Wrote: Here's what I'm after:

I want something that sounds big and ballsy, thunderous - if you will. It HAS to be articulate though. Mud is a no-can-do. As it stands I'd say that the super d or whatever is in the guitar right now is too thin.

I'm not very technical, so I have to rely on adjectives.

Allow me to explain: Whereas I said this was a "Doom" guitar, I really plan to use it for all things metal. I have a Doomy project I'm working on with a friend of ours but that's not all we play.

I need something that'll be crushing.

Well out of all of my guitars i really think the x2n or my wilburn metalbucker would be the most ballsy.

Maybe you need a tube screamer? haha

Honestly from my experience in the past its best to really try a pickup, Give it a chance to shine if you will. I have replaced pickups in the past that i doubt i ever needed to. Are you really positive the super d wont get you there?

Give it another week and play the shit out of it. Make sure you dial in your amp for maximum ponies.
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#14
You ever play an Invader Devin?

They aren't as high output as the X2N ime, but they are articulate and fucking meaty as hell. like 72oz. steak kinda meaty. There's a lot of heft in its delivery, but it is still tight and clear.

The X2N is along the same lines, but kinda more evenly EQ'd, bit more bite in the mids/upper mids, and hotter.
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(10-27-2014, 06:35 PM)CTN Wrote: You ever play an Invader Devin?

They aren't as high output as the X2N ime, but they are articulate and fucking meaty as hell. like 72oz. steak kinda meaty. There's a lot of heft in its delivery, but it is still tight and clear.

The X2N is along the same lines, but kinda more evenly EQ'd, bit more bite in the mids/upper mids, and hotter.

I have not played an Invader yet. Its been on my radar for a while but I always put off trying it. I hear that its either the greatest sledghammer of a pickup ever or a steeming pile of assmud.

Isn't the Warping essentially BKP's take on the invader?
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#16
Addendum:

I consider myself a high output kinda guy, but the Hovercraft foes have gobs of gain. Is there any point in using high output pickups with a really high gain amp?

I'm sorry for the remedial question, but out of all of us, I'm probably the least experienced when it comes to replacement pickups.

Thanks for your help so far, guys.
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#17
It's not that there's no point, you'll just get a certain sound if you use a super high output pickup with a super driven amp. If my main amp was something like a VH4 or a Road King, I wouldn't use anything higher output than 12Kish.

If you're mostly interested in playing doom, I'd say just get an overwound PAF in the sub or about 10K range and call it a day. It gets tricky when you want to try and play more tight forms of metal. I think you might get the best results if you have one guitar for doom with lower output pickups and one for other types of blackened, charred, crusted metal with something tighter in the low endy region.
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(10-27-2014, 08:20 PM)Big Flannel Wrote: I have not played an Invader yet. Its been on my radar for a while but I always put off trying it. I hear that its either the greatest sledghammer of a pickup ever or a steeming pile of assmud.

Isn't the Warping essentially BKP's take on the invader?

the assmud thing comes from noobs who think "OMG I WANT TEH MATULZ!" and buy the most metal looking and most metal-named pickup they can find (the Invader), they stick it in whatever low end jackson, ibanez or bc rich they have, completely ignore the fact that they are using assmud pieces of shit line 6 spider amps, and then jump on forums to complain about how their sound is assmud.

If you have a happenin' amp, it will be a sledgehammer in a meat market.

I have no idea about the warpig though.

(10-27-2014, 10:30 PM)Big Flannel Wrote: Addendum:

I consider myself a high output kinda guy, but the Hovercraft foes have gobs of gain. Is there any point in using high output pickups with a really high gain amp?

I'm sorry for the remedial question, but out of all of us, I'm probably the least experienced when it comes to replacement pickups.

Thanks for your help so far, guys.

IMO yes and no. A lot of old farts on SDUGF will tell you that you can play metal with PAFs. They are technically right, but also wrong. You can play metal with anything. You can take some low output lipstick pickups that jangle like a spring reverb and play metal on it. It'll sound like shit, but you can play metal on it.

PAFs weren't designed to project the heft and viciousness that good metal tone demands. They WERE designed to accurately reproduce the sound of the strings, and they do that quite respectably. But in a metal context, they end up sounding too clean, polite and weak. They don't growl and froth at the mouth. But hell, you could play venezuelan sheep herding music on it... you can play anything you want, but that doesn't mean it'll sound good.

Anyway, I digress. With amps with gargantuan amounts of gain, getting distortion is not a problem. The only problems left in terms of the pickup are expressiveness, EQ and feel.

In recent years I've found myself leaning more towards moderate output pickups rather than high output. They are easier to control in a live situation, they're lower output thus generally more articulate with less compression, but they have enough attitude to light a fire under my amp's pants, so to speak.

End result: Mean sounding metal tones that are blazingly expressive, EQ'd perfectly, cut like a razor, and still punch like mike tyson. As a result of them being moderate output, they are also able to be FAR more versatile than high output pickups and can drift in an out of many genres effortlessly.

But I probably like a different sort of metal tone than you're going for. If you want a thick, meaty, sloppy, crusty mess, my approach is not one you should take.
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#19
Have you played with the height and poles on the super doom?
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#20
Ryan's right on all counts, but he said it best - he's not going for the type of tones you are. I'd take his advice to heart for anything but doom metal tones.

I recorded this album using a Pearly Gates set into a Ram's Head big muff clone into my bassman. If you dig it, I'd recommend getting something in that output range for those types of tones.

http://rune666.bandcamp.com/
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